From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19932: 25.0.50; doc string of `elisp--eval-last-sexp' Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:05:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19414826-ceac-4808-b1a6-892e0f56020a@default> References: <54ECE6C3.3000602@yandex.ru> <87egpee009.fsf@yahoo.fr> <582e7a02-3c80-4f17-a170-60238cc18c7f@default> <54EDFD09.50200@yahoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424884528 31666 80.91.229.3 (25 Feb 2015 17:15:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19932@debbugs.gnu.org To: Nicolas Richard Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 25 18:15:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YQfYI-0005vK-5p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:15:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55288 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YQfYH-0007dS-GP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:15:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38450) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YQfPT-00065G-Nl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:06:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YQfPP-0005gw-M6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:06:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:54406) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YQfPP-0005gq-8i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:06:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YQfPO-0006pU-II for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:06:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19932 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19932-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19932.142488392626205 (code B ref 19932); Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:06:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19932) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2015 17:05:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58004 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YQfOn-0006ob-VV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:05:26 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:32611) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YQfOl-0006oK-PC for 19932@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:05:24 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t1PH5HTL019835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:05:18 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t1PH5GF6006323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:05:16 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t1PH5FL5020819; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:05:15 GMT In-Reply-To: <54EDFD09.50200@yahoo.fr> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:99809 Archived-At: > > Of course. And "private" means nothing in the context of Emacs Lisp. >=20 > It means whatever we want it to mean when we use the word. I think we > all (more or less) understand what it means in the current context, > don't we ? Nope. You won't find it anywhere in the Emacs or Elisp doc, I'll bet. Or even in the source code (unless perhaps in some C code somewhere, as a comment). Use of the term here, by Dmitry, is new in the context of Emacs, AFAIK. I'll bet that even if you search bug reports and emacs-devel threads you won't find that term used. (And "internal" (also nebulous/dubious in the context of Emacs) is not the same as "private".) "Private", for software, is typically about encapsulation/visibility and modules. You could make a case that a notion of such privacy (importing, exporting etc.) exists in Common Lisp, wrt its packages. But no such module system exists for Elisp. If/when we add a module system to Elisp, then we can perhaps speak of things being "private". And even then the notion would no doubt be relative, as it is in, say, Common Lisp.