From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:05:19 +0000 Message-ID: <192e82f20fbb3e50ce0c@heytings.org> References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf9eo3mq.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="417"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Alan Third , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Welsh Duggan , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Dmitry Gutov , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 21 16:06:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lZDUg-000Aag-88 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 16:06:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37844 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZDUf-00023z-8r for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:06:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44104) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZDUQ-00023F-J6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47754) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZDUQ-0000QR-BF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZDUQ-0002LR-4v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:06:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.16190139268971 (code B ref 1305); Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:06:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2021 14:05:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59300 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZDTq-0002Kc-HH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:05:26 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:47370) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZDTk-0002KP-Tu for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:05:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619013919; bh=Ju6NzA98Qq9Rvl6uX9bKHyztGpvLjQX0FoRQ0Tw9Msw=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=dDGu/UginuJbfqEUZr87FNhR+nHajRDQpPnyhfX0BA26IumS1gIzOY/6LshngYgnX KLzqRNpwUWSPRtjnHXvBv/DvtEV2/4DcMKObJtQkZ5VMf6pAN6O5dpskn9mivtiYSQ ATDoGX0f6Y/Vw1vznFocqhcYkUH1SrXhX8QmSlloyxkZrvLHsOftKuWbQ0dahpSYAn Mtih/DWrGfQGqWR1RZ863eqA8E+8OqFKf2bvwNHJTf0V//htackUcajc66exsKzCyi 4nqS6DUIYIybL6ZmlV9fuQrS5fsZkkAUfIJpttyZMLX1DjW/ET95GGLw8N1eRUX0F1 D/Ns+SZDH4hNQ== In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204611 Archived-At: >>> My #1 preference would be to make it all behave like (setq >>> visible-bell t) on GNU/Linux does. This way we both get a proven >>> behavior with no significant complaints, as well as consistency across >>> platforms. >> >> I understand that you're accustomed to what visible-bell t does on >> GNU/Linux, but frankly, its ugly. Ask their opinion to non-Emacs users >> about that bell, I'd be surprised if they like it. > > That's a good point, IMO. But Dmitry's argument is also fairly > compelling. > You mean, that it's "a proven behavior with no significant complaints"? I'd be very surprised if many GNU/Linux users did set visible-bell to t. What I see is that it's not the default behavior, and that most popular starter kits disable the bell completely. > > For my money, the Doom idea, to flash the mode line in a different > color, is the most good looking one. It is also hard to miss, and > doesn't risk hiding or obscuring the minibuffer. > IMO having a default bell that changes the the mode-line on every error is a recipe for disaster. There are too many packages that do all kinds of stuff with the mode-line. > > I have used this for a couple of days and find it strictly better than > both the default behavior on GNU/Linux with inverse video and flashing > the minibuffer background. > Did you try the patch I sent?