From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:17:08 +0000 Message-ID: <1869622e165c625e097b@heytings.org> References: <009901c9421f$5bd0a6b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c942a0$1f49ca60$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87eef9qg81.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> <83bladw0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pxqdeg.fsf@gnus.org> <875z0lqcj4.fsf@gnus.org> <1869622e1602a39e56a6@heytings.org> <87a6pwvcrv.fsf@md5i.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35550"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Michael Welsh Duggan Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 17 23:18:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lXsKQ-00096N-6P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 23:18:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49128 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXsKO-0000e7-Ms for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:18:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXsKI-0000e1-4x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:33266) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXsKH-0006hf-Sy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:18:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXsKH-0007hb-My for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:18:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.161869423129547 (code B ref 1305); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:18:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2021 21:17:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44811 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXsJT-0007gV-1X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:17:11 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:42256) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXsJR-0007gN-GC for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:17:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1618694228; bh=1KyjTaSehBypcZqRxBgorJfFXL/WilbxjLKhLrOSMpc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=TrxdZEAa18MYOE3VHTCPV+h/JsOJsctoB4mIP3CvSqGrbYjMhqhFM8zo+1N38lIIb vGBlGad6AOLAxlQKrPBFC8SGZITWIOuDvYbN4lDT6nKzo9Vvjs+PZ4FYfXePPNpUHx CZe4+qM3A01bqziRlt67fEuAqZGzPvkspdOJXIg1/NcoRB38ytoQxUrFv4RQtKzx0p mDbO8kKsgOIDMUuc9jn7ZGkifq0UtpD79g9j2Bc8cD486ieGhhXUc6NU42FWP4Aiaj e3+eYwWWtUoW4nLwrjEuWLhTAKm2Ti6JzONpBpNpcbilpGPrY9q2dLVZmb5DuqX9a+ kc+CCPIOgRiKQ== In-Reply-To: <87a6pwvcrv.fsf@md5i.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204271 Archived-At: >> I checked on macOS, and the only apps (at least, the only apps among >> the ones I use) that repeatedly beep are the terminal and Emacs. Other >> apps only beep when you do something "wrong", that is, when they cannot >> do what you want (for example when you ask the program to paste >> something when there is nothing to paste), or when they open an >> important dialog. The terminal also beeps when it cannot do what you >> want (for example when you press TAB and it cannot complete the current >> input). In comparison, Emacs beeps a lot. > > Really? I find that, in general, Emacs only beeps when it cannot do > what I want (for example, C-n at EOB) or I cancel an operation (C-g or > ESC ESC ESC). Under what other circumstances are you encountering > beeping? > For example, every time you press C-g, and every time you search for something that it cannot find. When you press C-g Emacs does what you want, so why beep? When you search for something that isn't there you already see that it isn't there, so why beep?