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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Stefan Monnier'" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 4654@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
Subject: bug#4654: 23.1; Elisp manual doc of abbreviate-file-name
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:21:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17D6D2FB21064E7C9178477A0ECEA571@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvbpkjwbnr.fsf-monnier+emacsbugreports@gnu.org>

> > The stated feature of "abbreviation" for this function has two
> > aspects: (1) substituting a defined "abbreviation" from
> > `directory-abbrev-list' - which is _not_ necessarily 
> > shorter than what it replaces, in fact, and (2) substituting
> > `~' for the home dir.
> 
> I think that's the core of the misunderstanding.  The purpose of
> abbreviate-file-name is not to apply the above two steps.  Those steps
> are just the current way to reach the real goal, which is to 
> abbreviate the file name.

Do we have a spec declaring the intended purpose, or are we just making it up as
we go along? The closest thing we have to a statement of the purpose is the doc,
along with the code and its comments, of course. None of those support your
claim of the purpose.

> Admittedly, "abbreviate" is not exactly meant here as
> "shorten" but rather as "make it more concise/easy/pretty for 
> the user",

That's precisely the point. It's not exactly about shortening. The question is
whether ~/foo is more useful/pretty/understandable/consistent for the user than
(sometimes) c:\\foo and (sometimes) /foo.

> but still to a first approximation "not longer" is
> a very good design guideline.

No, not a very good guideline for usability and understandability. A one-char
length difference has no special utility for a user. And that one-character
difference is the length argument you are making here. Consistency (always
seeing `~' when the home dir is involved) is more important here for users.
IMHO.







  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-07 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <83ab03mrlo.fsf@gnu.org>
2009-10-06 17:54 ` bug#4654: 23.1; Elisp manual doc of abbreviate-file-name Drew Adams
2009-10-06 20:21   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-06 21:12     ` Drew Adams
2009-10-07  5:47       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-07  7:50         ` Drew Adams
2009-10-07 14:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-07 15:21             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2009-10-07 10:30   ` bug#4654: marked as done (23.1; Elisp manual doc of abbreviate-file-name) Emacs bug Tracking System
     [not found] ` <1E8768BDE1464D019FC9EED701E222F4@us.oracle.com>
2009-10-07 17:44   ` bug#4654: 23.1; Elisp manual doc of abbreviate-file-name Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-07 17:55     ` Drew Adams

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