From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Kupfer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52399: 28.0.60; easier access to ORG-NEWS Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 16:59:46 -0800 Message-ID: <17858.1639097986@alto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24689"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 52399@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 10 02:00:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUH6-0006FC-Jp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 02:00:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38954 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUH4-0000Y9-G6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:00:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUGY-0000Xk-HQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:00:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:33533) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUGY-0003xI-7s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:00:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUGY-0001cA-4K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:00:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Mike Kupfer Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 01:00:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 52399 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16390979986171 (code B ref -1); Fri, 10 Dec 2021 01:00:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2021 00:59:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45079 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUGU-0001bT-4C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 19:59:58 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:40600) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUGS-0001bM-QJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 19:59:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44694) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUGS-0000WO-Ey for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 19:59:56 -0500 Original-Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:60119) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mvUGQ-0003vJ-4F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2021 19:59:56 -0500 Original-Received: from alto (96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 1BA0xkO9006147 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2021 16:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 96-95-200-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.95.200.133] claimed to be alto X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 28.0.60 Content-ID: <17857.1639097986.1@alto> Received-SPF: none client-ip=198.144.192.42; envelope-from=mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu; helo=shell1.rawbw.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:222028 Archived-At: Finding ORG-NEWS seems harder than it should be. 1. The "Browse Org News" menu item (Org > Documentation > Browse Org News) isn't adequate, because it takes you to orgmode.org. The package description (C-h P org RET) has the same problem. If you're working offline, orgmode.org is not going to be available. Also, it shows the news for the latest release, which might not be what you have installed. (The news for older releases is available at the bottom of the page, but it could be confusing if you don't notice that the news that is first presented is for a different release.) 2. I don't see a reference to ORG-NEWS in the Org mode section of the Info pages, much less an easy way to get to it. 3. The entry in NEWS for the Org mode update mentions ORG-NEWS, but it doesn't say how to get to it. (Yes, I know how to get to ORG-NEWS from NEWS. Do we expect random users to understand the layout of an installed Emacs at that level of detail?) regards, Mike Kupfer In GNU Emacs 28.0.60 (build 8, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo versi= on 1.16.0, Xaw scroll bars) of 2021-12-02 built on alto Repository revision: 0136a243428efce0400aabfce9c2237ac0346e81 Repository branch: emacs-28-mdk Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12004000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) Configured using: 'configure --with-native-compilation --prefix=3D/usr/new' Configured features: CAIRO FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM LUCID ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_TIME: C value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Outline Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t auto-fill-function: do-auto-fill indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t view-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow emacsbug org-element avl-tree generator ol-eww eww xdg url-queue ol-rmail ol-mhe ol-irc ol-info ol-gnus nnselect gnus-search ol-docview doc-view image-mode exif ol-bibtex ol-bbdb ol-w3m ol-doi org-link-doi org ob ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table ob-exp org-macro org-footnote org-src ob-comint org-pcomplete org-list org-faces org-entities org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval org-table oc-basic bibtex ol org-keys oc org-compat org-macs org-loaddefs format-spec view jka-compr lisp-mnt finder-inf package cal-china lunar solar cal-dst cal-bahai cal-islam cal-hebrew holidays hol-loaddefs diary-lib diary-loaddefs cal-move cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs mh-identity mh-letter ballot cl gnus-fun gnus-mh mh-comp sort gnus-async gnus-bcklg gnus-kill gnus-dup gnus-ml disp-table timezone url-http url-gw url-cache url-auth url-handlers nnrss mm-url gnutls nndoc nndraft nnmh network-stream nsm gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual gnus-msg nntp gnus-cache skeleton sgml-mode facemenu wdired misearch multi-isearch vc-hg diff-mode cl-print debug backtrace dired-aux dired-x ispell comp comp-cstr warnings rx mh-alias crm shr-color color eieio-opt speedbar ezimage dframe find-func shortdoc help-fns radix-tree qp flow-fill cl-extra help-mode mm-archive mail-extr mh-mime mh-gnus mh-show goto-addr thingatpt gnus-cite gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime dig gnus-sum shr kinsoku svg dom browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util url-parse url-vars mailcap gnus-group gnus-undo gnus-start gnus-dbus dbus xml gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source utf7 netrc nnoo parse-time iso8601 gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-win gnus-range gnus nnheader wid-edit pp mule-util mh-search mh-thread mh-inc hl-line mh-tool-bar mh-seq mh-xface mh-utils mh-folder which-func imenu mh-scan mh-e mh-compat mh-buffers mh-loaddefs mdk-mail smtpmail sendmail message rmc puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs auth-source eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json map text-property-search time-date subr-x seq gv mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 mm-util ietf-drums mail-prsvr mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader server noutline outline easy-mmode cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv shell pcomplete comint ansi-color ring xcscope advice delsel cl-seq vc vc-dispatcher timeclock cl-loaddefs cl-lib mdk-hacks iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 522335 32097) (symbols 48 33114 4) (strings 32 126936 5000) (string-bytes 1 4084610) (vectors 16 67220) (vector-slots 8 1897578 43209) (floats 8 1017 353) (intervals 56 16783 3110) (buffers 992 54))