From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 06:52:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456844073 9172 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2016 14:54:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 14:54:33 +0000 (UTC) To: Shiyao Ma , 22866@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 01 15:54:19 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aalgl-00068d-Cm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 15:54:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50137 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aalgh-00018M-Go for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:54:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52739) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aalgd-00017s-4Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:54:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aalgY-0003f5-5L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:54:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:57828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aalgY-0003f1-2n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:54:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aalgX-0004Xg-QH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:54:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 14:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22866 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22866-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22866.145684398917388 (code B ref 22866); Tue, 01 Mar 2016 14:54:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2016 14:53:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54955 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aalfh-0004WM-If for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:31876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aalff-0004W5-QZ for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:53:08 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u21Er1Rr022827 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Mar 2016 14:53:01 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u21Er0Bt006371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2016 14:53:00 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u21Eqs9c019592; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 14:53:00 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114236 Archived-At: > For the function `delete-char'. 'C-h S' takes me to: > (emacs)Top > Killing > Deletion and Killing > Deletion=20 > However, it should go to: (elisp)Top > Text > Deletion Why do you think so? This is a user command, not just an Elisp function. An Emacs user looking for information about it interactively will expect to go to its description in the Emacs manual. If we have to choose one or the other, we should, I think, favor user help, especially for a command. That said... (1) Maybe we could cross-reference the one from the other manual? (2) It might be good if `C-h S' popped up a buffer of links to references in both manuals. (3) It would be good if *Help* output from `C-h f' and `C-h k' provided links to the manuals (both). ---- FWIW, my library `help-fns+.el' does provide references to the manuals in the output of help commands such as `C-h f' and `C-h k'. But it does not provide such links for `C-h S'. If you click the link on `manuals' in the `*Help*' output: "For more information check the manuals." then you get this Info buffer, where the left column has links to the nodes listed in the right column: File: *Indexed*, Node: Index for `delete-char', Up: Top Index Matches Index entries that match `delete-char': * Menu: * delete-char [elisp]: (elisp)Deletion. * delete-char [emacs]: (emacs)Deletion. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/help-fns%2b.el