From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15171: 24.3.50; (cl) `Common Lisp Compatibility' is incomplete Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <169588b2-7ae4-4387-bbe6-96270999ccd0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1377289286 19282 80.91.229.3 (23 Aug 2013 20:21:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:21:26 +0000 (UTC) To: 15171@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 23 22:21:27 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxrK-0006Ag-JI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 22:21:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38535 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxrK-0001Fu-17 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:21:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60845) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxr6-0001Ec-Qr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:21:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxqw-00038t-Bt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:21:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:56480) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxqw-00038p-8T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxqv-0007Uw-Rb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:21:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 15171 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.137728921428754 (code B ref -1); Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:21:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2013 20:20:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50796 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxq9-0007Th-BY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:20:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58864) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxq6-0007TW-IP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:20:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxpw-0002Tb-0E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:20:10 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:58443) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxpv-0002TW-TB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60560) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxpn-00017D-9O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxpc-0002LE-1p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:19:51 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:39622) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VCxpb-0002L8-S5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:19:39 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r7NKJcbO002002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:19:39 GMT Original-Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r7NKJauI003983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:19:38 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt101.oracle.com (abhmt101.oracle.com [141.146.116.53]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r7NKJajo021214 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:19:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:77666 Archived-At: This appendix is only a brief summary, it seems, and can be quite misleading. I'm skeptical that it specifies "a list of all known incompatibilities" between the Emacs cl* libraries and Common Lisp. But it is correct that it _should_ specify them all. For one thing, the handling of formal parameters that correspond to special variables is an unmentioned incompatibility. State that you must use an explicit `let' inside the function to get the same effect. Likewise, the difference in syntax for characters, various other data type differences, and the absence of read macros. Not to mention CLOS. The main message for this appendix should not be that the few things that it mentions are the only incompatibilities, but rather that even with cl* Emacs Lisp is quite different from Common Lisp. IOW, it gives exactly the wrong message, suggesting that the two are almost the same. This appendix should at least mention: 1. All important or large Common Lisp features that are lacking. 2. All important differences in behavior for features that might seem at first sight to be the same or similar. An additional detail - this text is backwards: "The multiple-value return facility treats lists as multiple values, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ since Emacs Lisp cannot support multiple return values directly." It should say that because Elisp cannot support... it treats multiple values as lists. And "treats" is even too generous. It should just say that Emacs Lisp does not support binding or returning multiple values; instead, it uses lists of values. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-08-17 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 113938 eliz@gnu.org-20130817171807-fxigtkbc6yy8m9iw Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3 LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'