From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Joel J. Adamson" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4960: 23.1.50; Please provide access to the tour on the Help menu; preferably ship it also Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:35:42 -0500 Organization: University of North Carolina Message-ID: <16352.1258637742@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> References: Reply-To: "Joel J. Adamson" , 4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258638803 27512 80.91.229.12 (19 Nov 2009 13:53:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Bugs To: "Jason A. 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Spiro" message dated "Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:15:32 -0500." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.1.50 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:47:28 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32706 Archived-At: >>>>> "Jason" == Jason A Spiro writes: > Hi, Please provide access to the Emacs guided tour on the Emacs' > Help menu. Preferably as the first item on the menu, since it is > more useful than the tutorial. The tour shows features of Emacs, the tutorial shows you how to use the basic editing commands. How is one "more useful" than the other? I agree that the tour is more useful if you're deciding whether to use Emacs, but if you've already installed Emacs, you need to know how to use it in order to get at those features. Joel -- Joel J. Adamson -- http://www.unc.edu/~adamsonj University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill CB #3280, Coker Hall Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3280