From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Joel J. Adamson" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4960: 23.1.50; Please provide access to the tour on the Help menu; preferably ship it also Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:34:11 -0500 Organization: University of North Carolina Message-ID: <16272.1258637651@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> References: Reply-To: "Joel J. 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X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.1.50 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:47:29 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32707 Archived-At: >>>>> "Lennart" == Lennart Borgman writes: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: >> Previous discussion: >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-11/msg00120.html > There seemed to be a consensus to change part of the Help menu the > way Drew suggested: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-11/msg00158.html > Though Stefan and someone else thought that a menu item that > opened something in a web browser felt a bit wrong. I never > understood why. Is not that very common? It may be common, but that doesn't mean it's good. I find myself rather unnerved when I go to a help Menu expecting to find some *help documentation* and instead get sent to a website that acts mainly as advertisement. Of course in the case of Emacs it would be a link to something useful. However, users should be made fully aware that they will be opening a web browser. And what would you do to make sure the browser is properly configured? Joel -- Joel J. Adamson -- http://www.unc.edu/~adamsonj University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill CB #3280, Coker Hall Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3280