From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Heidemann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#511: package for potential inclusion in emacs Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:10:36 -0700 Message-ID: <15903.1217290236@dash.isi.edu> References: Reply-To: John Heidemann , 511@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217304486 11305 80.91.229.12 (29 Jul 2008 04:08:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , 511@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 29 06:08:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNgW7-0006sg-61 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:08:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38900 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNgVD-00080o-0e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:07:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNgUf-0007YV-2o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:07:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNgUd-0007Vp-8C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52020 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNgUd-0007Ve-3P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:07:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:41609) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KNgUd-00087d-3y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:07:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6T47K4f024312; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:07:20 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6T3o3XI018996; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:50:03 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: John Heidemann Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:50:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 511 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 511-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B511.121730291617771 (code B ref 511); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:50:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 511) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 29 Jul 2008 03:41:56 +0000 Original-Received: from vir.isi.edu (vir.isi.edu [128.9.160.91]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6T3fral017765 for <511@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:41:54 -0700 Original-Received: from dash.isi.edu (Vernier-H.Vernier.UH.EDU [129.7.131.202]) (authenticated bits=0) by vir.isi.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T3fdk9025124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:41:46 -0700 Original-Received: from dash.isi.edu (localhost.isi.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dash.isi.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6T0AaXU015904; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:10:36 -0700 X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~johnh/ In-reply-to: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:07:24 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:18907 Archived-At: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:38:21 EDT, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> However, there are a couple of doubts that make me hesitant to include >>> notes-mode in the main Emacs distribution. Firstly, it's a moderately >>> sized package with multiple source files, including perl scripts; for >>> reasons of convenience and cleanliness, packages of a similar nature >>> tend to be distributed seperately from Emacs and not bundled with it >>> (e.g., AucTeX and preview-latex). Secondly, there are a couple of >>> packages around that do a similar thing, such as John Wiegley's planner >>> mode. > >Yes, I'd like to see a discussion about these modes from people who've >tried several and can hence talk about their experience. It seems that >Dominik's Org mode is also relevant (especially since it's already >bundled with Emacs, contrary to planner). > >One important aspect as well is whether the package is maintained. >AFAICT, John Wigley has been fairly quiet in the last few years, so I'm >not sure how well maintained is planner-mode. How is that discussion supposed to happen? (I.e., are you planning to look at it, or someone on the list, or are you expecting me to do it as part of submitting the code?) I think I gave you my quick evaluation vs. planner-mode in a prior message. >> I certainly understand waintence concerns about dropping perl in to the >> emacs tree. It was OK with rms when we talked about it around 2000 >> (provided I make startup changes that were done in 2006), but things may >> have changed. > >I don't think it's a big problem: it just means that your package won't >be usable (or at least not 100% functional) for those people without >Perl, or with an incompatible version. Ok. -John