From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Konstantin Kharlamov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36250: [PATCH] Allow Emacs to be resized arbitrarily Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 21:59:26 +0300 Message-ID: <1560711566.19774.3@yandex.ru> References: <1560707992.19774.0@yandex.ru> <20190616180122.20341-1-Hi-Angel@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="71403"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 36250@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 16 21:00:14 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hcaNx-000IQI-Oo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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There are too many window managers out >> > there, and we cannot be sure none of them need the old code. >>=20 >> As I noted, "unconstrained behavior" is widely tested. At the very >> least, it's tested by users of i3wm. >=20 > We've been there before: the real world out there never ceases to > surprise us, no matter how sure we are in our conclusions. I've > learned that lesson after seeing our best intentions backfire enough > times. Okay, then, should I maybe bring it up on emacs-devel? I wanted=20 initially to do just that, but then I figured that searching for=20 reasons why these variables were added in the first place should be=20 enough. But if not, I can still open a topic there. =