bug#75329: 30.0.93; gnus: lowering thread score doesn't work on e-mail threads (...?)

bug#75329: 30.0.93; gnus: lowering thread score doesn't work on e-mail threads (...?)

[Christopher Howard]

Hi. In Gnus, I've been using gnus-summary-lower-score with exact subject matching, in order to lower the score on threads I'm not interested in. This works well but makes me a little nervous, as I might end up one day hiding new threads that have the same subject. E.g., maybe the thread subject is ambiguous.

I see from the Gnus manual that gnus-summary-lower-score has a key option 't' for "Score on thread". But when I try to use it on any e-mail in any mailing list thread, nothing happens. More precisely:

1. I go to a summary buffer, select an email near the top of a thread, and enter "L t e t"
2. It prompts me for value, the default being what looks like a "in-reply-to" message value
3. I press RET, accepting the default value

But nothing changes in the summary buffer.


In GNU Emacs 30.0.93 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0) of 2024-12-20 built on theoden
Repository revision: 68bcabf58afddb377d172857ce7648ad3ff09618
Repository branch: emacs-30
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101012
System Description: Guix System

Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=/home/christopher/local/emacs 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g3'
 PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/gnu/store/f335yc4x4ps0qalm4hafy0dggsfczfkj-profile/lib/pkgconfig:/gnu/store/f335yc4x4ps0qalm4hafy0dggsfczfkj-profile/share/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/lib/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/share/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-profile/lib/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-profile/share/pkgconfig'

Configured features:
ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG
LCMS2 LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP
SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM
GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $EMACSLOADPATH: /home/christopher/local/emacs/share/emacs/30.0.93/lisp:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/share/emacs/site-lisp
  value of $EMACSNATIVELOADPATH: /home/christopher/local/emacs/share/emacs/30.0.93/lisp:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/lib/emacs/native-site-lisp
  value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Info

Minor modes in effect:
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  server-mode: t
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  helm-minibuffer-history-mode: t
  async-bytecomp-package-mode: t
  minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t
  global-display-line-numbers-mode: t
  display-line-numbers-mode: t
  cl-old-struct-compat-mode: 1
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  isearch-fold-quotes-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  column-number-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t

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📛 Christopher Howard
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bug#75329: 30.0.93; gnus: lowering thread score doesn't work on e-mail threads (...?)

[Mike Kupfer]

Christopher Howard wrote:

> 1. I go to a summary buffer, select an email near the top of a thread, and enter "L t e t"
> 2. It prompts me for value, the default being what looks like a "in-reply-to" message value
> 3. I press RET, accepting the default value
> 
> But nothing changes in the summary buffer.

The fact that nothing changes in the summary buffer is kind of expected,
I think.  When I change the score of, for example, a subject, the
summary buffer continues to show the old score.  To see the new score, I
have to cause the summary buffer to be regenerated, e.g., using "Y g".

I played around a bit with your recipe, using an nnmh group.  I was able
to score down by thread by making two changes to your recipe:

1. select the email that started the thread, not just one near the top.
(This might be an artifact of the thread that I tested on.  You probably
just need to select an email that everything afterwards refers to in the
References header.)

2. Use "L t s t" (s, not e).  I expect substring to be safe, because
AFAIK, the message ID for one email cannot be a substring of the message
ID for a second email, due to the angle brackets (<, >) being reserved.

regards,
mike

bug#75329: 30.0.93; gnus: lowering thread score doesn't work on e-mail threads (...?)

[Christopher Howard]

Mike Kupfer <kupfer@rawbw.com> writes:

> 1. select the email that started the thread, not just one near the top.
> (This might be an artifact of the thread that I tested on.  You probably
> just need to select an email that everything afterwards refers to in the
> References header.)
>
> 2. Use "L t s t" (s, not e).  I expect substring to be safe, because
> AFAIK, the message ID for one email cannot be a substring of the message
> ID for a second email, due to the angle brackets (<, >) being reserved.

Okay, thank you for the information. This is working for me as well, the way you described.

One issue for me here is how to get to the start of the thread quickly, since the actual start of the thread might be hidden. I suppose I could run (gnus-summary-insert-old-articles t) and then (gnus-summary-top-thread). But I know that gnus-summary-insert-old-articles can take a really long time in an IMAP summary buffer so I'm not sure if that is really practical. I guess I could do something like (gnus-summary-insert-old-articles 200) instead and hope that is good enough. Any thoughts on this?

-- 
Christopher Howard