From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24902: 25.1; C-x = for Unicode Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:40:01 +0100 Message-ID: <14F24EE3-901E-4622-8210-6C4F2134E9BA@acm.org> References: <87a6fl5w11.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34135"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Ulrich Windl , 24902@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 24 11:42:07 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nBwnW-0008fz-HG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:42:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34914 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBwnV-0002Q4-JK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:42:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48450) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBwmW-0002Pm-2j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:41:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBwmU-0001xp-G6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:41:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBwmU-0002id-FU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:41:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24902 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 24902-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24902.164302081110315 (code B ref 24902); Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:41:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24902) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2022 10:40:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42303 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBwlf-0002gJ-1l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:40:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail18c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.10.28]:37884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBwla-0002fv-MQ for 24902@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:40:09 -0500 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1643020804; bh=53yjneRPSggqJw6y3y7SdfA5AP+10IceO6nKfYVC2jg=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=H5y0HAxDBHPuHJ6BdkHEozgdnwRKZZhAgdKPLZgAabP52bD05++sWjbCK7xbnUXe+ H5gotjjKOGsEZFHe3AV0TiX+fVu358P6X1Hm2QUg4KYtlyHAnAsUTJCYUh8Bfp6B7R Qa4nuKLYQEhvWcjGDm852nqizyda2PNKu7h7jFwA= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from smtpclient.apple (c-b952e353.032-75-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [83.227.82.185]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail18c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 20OAe105017974; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:40:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87a6fl5w11.fsf@gnus.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F1A.61EE8204.0013, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-Origin-Country: SE X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:225020 Archived-At: 24 jan. 2022 kl. 10.21 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : > Emacs defaults to showing some things in octal, so showing octal here > isn't that absurd... What things would that be? The only ones I can think of are raw bytes = and some control characters. The only reason why C-x =3D shows octal is inertia. If you wrote the = command today, you would not include octal. This is just another Immovable Ladder in Emacs. It must be preserved = exactly as it is, for the sole reason that it has always been this way. > `C-x 8 e d' says what the name of the character is. Perhaps it should > also include the hex value... Or perhaps we could improve the more commonly used and accessible `C-x = =3D` to show both? I could write a patch to change it (with an option to keep the Good Old = Times look for the traditionalist), but there's no point if it would be = dismissed out of hand. Would it?