From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15832: 24.3.50; doc of `up-list' and moving by "parens" Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:11:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1059c795-dd53-41f9-95cb-fadf04df4008@default> References: <87lhxj7c07.fsf@building.gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392012738 21327 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2014 06:12:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15832@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 10 07:12:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCk6Q-00029M-O0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 07:12:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53615 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCk6Q-00033y-6m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:12:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36635) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCk6F-00033n-Ff for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:12:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCk66-0005dD-SU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:12:11 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCk66-0005d9-PG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCk66-0004w0-AN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:12:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15832 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 15832-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15832.139201271118952 (code B ref 15832); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:12:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15832) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 06:11:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33737 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCk5u-0004vb-Sa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:11:51 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:24024) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCk5s-0004vS-SZ for 15832@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:11:49 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1A6Bj55004921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:11:48 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A6Bi0N006470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:11:45 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A6Bisu020382; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:11:44 GMT In-Reply-To: <87lhxj7c07.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85225 Archived-At: > > 2. `up-list' should be added to the list of commands mentioned in > > (emacs) `Moving by Parens'. `down-list' and `backward-up-list' > > are mentioned, but not `up-list'. >=20 > `up-list' doesn't have a keyboard definition, which is why it's > probably not documented in the Emacs manual. It should still be mentioned. > > 3. (elisp) `List Motion' mentions that the syntax table controls > > which characters are treated like parentheses, which is good. > > It then cross-references (emacs) `Moving by Parens' "for > > user-level commands." > > > > It is good to cross-reference, but what are described at (elisp) > > `List Motion' *are* user-level commands, so the characterization > > "for user-level commands" is confusing and misleading. The cross > > reference should just say "see also". >=20 > The things described in the Emacs manual here are clearly more > user-levelish, so I think that's OK. If you want to say "for information about OTHER user-level commands" or "for more information about these user-level commands" (depending on which is meant), that would be fine, but as it stands now it is confusing and misleading, giving the impression that what are described here might NOT be user-level commands.