From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Kupfer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56291: 29.0.50; version-control versus gnus-backup-startup-file Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: <10477.1656519455@alto> References: <62574.1656464407@alto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23515"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 56291@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 29 18:18:11 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aOI-0005qg-Dw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:18:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53512 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aOH-0004vL-5h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:18:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45724) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aOA-0004v4-0c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37893) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aO9-0004zd-Oh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:18:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aO9-0007wl-Kc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:18:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Mike Kupfer Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56291 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 56291-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56291.165651946830514 (code B ref 56291); Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:18:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56291) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2022 16:17:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aNv-0007w6-Q4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:17:48 -0400 Original-Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:59120 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aNr-0007vt-86 for 56291@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:17:46 -0400 Original-Received: from alto (135-180-174-172.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [135.180.174.172] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 25TGHZto004936 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 135-180-174-172.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [135.180.174.172] (may be forged) claimed to be alto In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 Jun 2022 19:05:38 +0300." <83zghv5ub1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; Emacs 29.0.50 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:235651 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Cc: 56291@debbugs.gnu.org > > From: Mike Kupfer > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 07:38:28 -0700 > >=20 > > Fair enough. How about > >=20 > > The usual way to set this variable is globally, through your init > > file or the customization buffer. However, you can set > > =E2=80=98version-control=E2=80=99 locally in an individual buffer t= o control the > > making of backups for that buffer=E2=80=99s file (*note Locals::). = Some > > packages, such as Rmail, override the global setting of > > =E2=80=98version-control=E2=80=99 this way. You can also have Emac= s set > > =E2=80=98version-control=E2=80=99 locally whenever you visit a give= n file (*note File > > Variables::). > >=20 > > ? >=20 > The point of the example is to illustrate the local setting of the > variable, so talking about packages that set the global value misses > the point, and shouldn't be there. If Rmail is a bad example, then we > should find a better one, and mention only those. Okay, I guess "override the global setting" is too confusing. Rmail only sets it locally. Does this work better: The usual way to set this variable is globally, through your init file or the customization buffer. However, you can set =E2=80=98version-control=E2=80=99 locally in an individual buffer to co= ntrol the making of backups for that buffer=E2=80=99s file (*note Locals::). Some packages, such as Rmail, do this. You can also have Emacs set =E2=80=98version-control=E2=80=99 locally whenever you visit a given fi= le (*note File Variables::). ? mike