From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Sheng Yang" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#47150: [External] : bug#47150: 28.0.50; Incorrect major-mode in minibuffer Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2021 03:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: <0f564ae1-ab0a-4e0f-a436-68f29b71d8a9@www.fastmail.com> References: <877dm9nsii.fsf@gmail.com> <40f3c845-ba30-4112-bb3c-9c06c1f106d3@www.fastmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=fe3f80cbb0984c43b668191968bd1984 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26712"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-273-g8500d2492d-fm-20210323.002-g8500d249 Cc: "47150@debbugs.gnu.org" <47150@debbugs.gnu.org>, Alan Mackenzie To: "Drew Adams" , "Stefan Monnier" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 09 10:58:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lUmy4-0006mf-6f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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The discussions have been inactive for more= than 2 weeks. On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, at 16:36, Drew Adams wrote: > > > Can I ask what's wrong with what I suggested: One mode, not two; j= ust > > > change the name and provide a helpful doc-string that covers both > > > active and inactive? > >=20 > > What's the benefit? Have you tried to implement it? >=20 > Is there really something to "implement"? >=20 > Rename `minibuffer-inactive-mode' to something > without "inactive". >=20 > Give it a doc string that says when inactive... > and when active.... We already have the former > part. The latter can just point out the keymaps > (which become links to their doc). >=20 > Benefit: Like what we have now - or after Alan's > change to fundamental-mode - but with better doc > and without a misleading mode name. >=20 > The behavior is already there, no? When inactive > we get the inactive key bindings. Otherwise, we > get the usual minibuffer keymaps. >=20 > IIUC, that's the case whether or not the "active" > state nominally uses `fundamental-mode', since the > minibuffer keymaps are still used. The difference > is (1) doc and (2) only one mode. >=20 > Feel free to let me know what I'm missing. >=20 Sheng Yang(=E6=9D=A8=E5=9C=A3), PhD Computer Science Department University of Maryland, College Park E-mail: styang@fastmail.com E-mail (old but still used): yangsheng6810@gmail.com --fe3f80cbb0984c43b668191968bd1984 Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any update/deci= sion on this? The discussions have been inactive for more than 2 weeks.<= br>

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, at 16:36, Drew Adams = wrote:
>= > Can I ask what's wrong with what I suggested: One mode, not two; j= ust
> > change the name and provide a helpful doc-st= ring that covers both
> > active and inactive?
> 
> What's the benefit?  Have yo= u tried to implement it?

Is there really so= mething to "implement"?

Rename `minibuffer-= inactive-mode' to something
without "inactive".
<= div>
Give it a doc string that says when inactive...
and when active....  We already have the former
<= div>part.  The latter can just point out the keymaps
= (which become links to their doc).

Benefit:= Like what we have now - or after Alan's
change to fundame= ntal-mode - but with better doc
and without a misleading m= ode name.

The behavior is already there, no= ?  When inactive
we get the inactive key bindings.&nb= sp; Otherwise, we
get the usual minibuffer keymaps.

IIUC, that's the case whether or not the "active"=
state nominally uses `fundamental-mode', since the
minibuffer keymaps are still used.  The difference
is (1) doc and (2) only one mode.

Fee= l free to let me know what I'm missing.


She= ng Yang(=E6=9D=A8=E5=9C=A3), PhD
Compu= ter Science Department
University of M= aryland, College Park
E-mail: styang@fastmail.com
E-mail (old but still used): yangsheng6810@gmail.com


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