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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: jonathan@jonreeve.com, 57531@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#57531: 28.1; Character encoding missing for "eo"
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2022 13:33:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b2303e39222951afb20@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sfl6j79y.fsf@gnu.org>

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>>> What would you suggest that Emacs does instead?
>>
>> I don't know, because anything that it could do would be backward 
>> incompatible.
>
> The only change I could think of that is almost backward-compatible 
> (except for this single locale) is the one I posted, if we modify it to 
> also make the 'lang-info' pseudo-encoding override the locale.alias 
> file.
>

Agreed, yes.

>> What is clear is that, on reasonably modern systems, legacy locales are 
>> not used anymore, and their use is discouraged (e.g. the Debian 
>> installer does not present you with any legacy encoding, they remain 
>> available but to activate them you need to edit the /etc/locale.gen 
>> file manually).  So perhaps Emacs could always assume UTF-8, and use 
>> another encoding only when there are good reasons to do so (e.g. when 
>> opening a file with a legacy encoding).  The presence of the 
>> equivalence eo / Latin-3 in locale.alias is IMO not a good enough 
>> reason.
>
> I have no idea what this kind of change could do.
>

I have no idea either, I was thinking aloud.  But what is clear (at least 
to me) is that this change is inevitable at some point.  UTF-8 has been 
the default encoding almost everywhere for two decades or so, and that's 
unlikely to change in the forseeable future.  In that world we cannot 
continue forever to let Emacs choose another encoding based on some 
heuristics, because "nobody" expects that anymore.  Unless there's a good 
reason to do so, of course.

>
> Maybe nothing, maybe breakage across the board.  Keep in mind that the 
> default encoding is used for stuff other than decoding text in files 
> Emacs visits, and also for some important tasks during startup.
>
> I also think our encoding detection doesn't always succeed to discern 
> between UTF-8 and single-byte Latin-N encodings.
>

I keep all that in mind, yes 😃

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-05 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-01 18:47 bug#57531: 28.1; Character encoding missing for "eo" Jonathan Reeve
2022-09-02  5:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-03  1:28   ` Jonathan Reeve
2022-09-03 14:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-03 16:54       ` Jonathan Reeve
2022-09-03 17:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-03 17:32           ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-03 17:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-03 20:13               ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-04  5:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-04  6:32                   ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-04  6:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-04  7:33                       ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-03 20:00           ` Jonathan Reeve
2022-09-04  5:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-04  7:03               ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-04  7:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-04  7:34                   ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-04  7:46                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-04  8:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 11:44                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-04 12:39                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 13:13                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 10:51                               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-06 11:28                               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-06 12:13                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 14:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 15:15                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-06 16:05                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 13:16                           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-05  0:00                     ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05  8:16                       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05  8:58                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-05  9:10                           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05  9:39                             ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-05 11:46                               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05  9:24                           ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-05  9:30                             ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05 11:44                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05 14:15                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-05 11:40                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05 12:00                           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05 12:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05 12:38                               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05 13:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05 13:26                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05 16:56                               ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-05 17:50                                 ` Jonathan Reeve
2022-09-05 18:20                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05 22:41                                     ` Jonathan Reeve
2022-09-05 23:14                                       ` Gregory Heytings
     [not found]                                       ` <57ffb073-c4ea-da56-18c0-661b9d8ab929@heytings.org>
2022-09-05 23:21                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-04 13:09                                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-04 13:05                               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-04 23:35               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05 11:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05 12:07                   ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05 12:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05 12:59                       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-05 13:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05 13:33                           ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2022-09-04  8:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-04  8:48   ` Eli Zaretskii

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