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Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:57:21 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.217.8) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:57:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcuQsL//gwt2yuYKSVeDODJCz38vxQABVnVA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <4CF52EBF.6020107@gmx.at> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:53:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:42043 Archived-At: > > What is the difference between these two? What does "cannot have a > > menu bar" mean in practice? Just wondering. > > Minibuffer-only frames don't have a menubar by design. Surprisingly > they have (menu-bar-lines . 1) here. Why by design? I mean why must that be the design? No menu-bar by default, I could understand. But I can see that someone might well want a menu-bar for a minibuffer standalone frame. After all, there is a menu-bar menu, `Minibuf', which is missing altogether when you use a standalone minibuffer frame. I've asked in the past that the `Minibuf' menu be made available (or it at least be possible to make it available) even when you use a standalone minibuffer frame. I think `menu-bar-lines' and even `tool-bar-lines' should be respected by a minibuffer frame. Why preclude users from having these if they find some use for them in some context? What reason can we have for a design that _prevents_ a minibuffer frame from using these? Sounds short-sighted, to me. And I'm someone who would probably _not_ enable such things for my own minibuffer frame. I just don't see why we throw out the possibility. > > Even funnier, the ELisp manual shows an example of > > building a menu bar with two lines, see the node "Menu Bar" there. > > It used to work with Emacs' own menubars IIRC. I think so too, but my recollection of this is faint and probably faulty.