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boundary="tQOU3q186i6VVg5dDfjjMps81oADekK2S"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit--Claudel?= To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 24510@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: <0913a9f7-519f-e48a-3132-3d1b16267851@gmail.com> Subject: Re: bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like ` References: <<6905ca6f-0573-4a2b-b346-d5df47862e09@default> <<83intneq2g.fsf@gnu.org> <<7f9c8f95-a04d-4e94-9c17-8a348bf89215@default> <<83d1jvds1t.fsf@gnu.org> <83mviycxse.fsf@gnu.org> <8f6d6767-e5f4-79cc-ac3f-199cc58e92e2@gmail.com> <83fuopdaf2.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83fuopdaf2.fsf@gnu.org> --tQOU3q186i6VVg5dDfjjMps81oADekK2S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-09-24 03:28, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I hope, based on the coverage you presented, it should be clear that=20 > Consolas is worse than Courier New. Non-support of Arabic script is > a non-starter these days. On my system, Consolas supports 16 > Unicode blocks and 598 characters, while Courier New supports 29 > blocks and 1258 characters, almost twice as many. > [=E2=80=A6] So I don't think we have a candidate font on Windows that i= s > better than the current default. Hi Eli, I'm not sure it makes sense to equate "better" and "worse" with more or l= ess coverage. Is Consolas worse than Courier New in terms of number of = characters supported? Certainly. But then why is Emacs not defaulting t= o MingLiu or NSimSun? They are both monospace, both available in recent = releases of Microsoft Windows, and they both cover multiple East-Asian sc= ripts, (Courier New doesn't). On my system, MingLiu supports 28955 glyph= s; over 23 times as many as Courier New. Do we have evidence that users of Emacs on Windows write significant amou= nts of code in Arabic, to the point that we would want to use Courier New= as the default, instead of as a fallback? If so, do we have evidence th= at more code is written in Emacs in Arabic than in Chinese and Japanese? = And finally, do we have evidence that users of scripts that Consolas doe= s not support prefer having Courier New as the default, rather than Conso= las with a fallback to Courier New, or MingLiu? I'm not too familiar with editors on Windows. Do many of them default to= Courier New? AFAICT Netbeans apparently does, but Atom doesn't (it uses= Consolas), Visual Studio doesn't (it uses Consolas), Sublime Text doesn'= t (it uses Consolas), Eclipse doesn't (it changed from Courier New to Con= solas in 2011), and Notepad++ doesn't (it changed from Courier New to Sou= rce Code Pro in 2015). What makes things that are acceptable for so many= other editors non-starters for us? 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