From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Sainty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52558: Option for easier typing of regexps Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 05:11:32 +1300 Message-ID: <0857117dcca6f1d8a617ad1fa34a3450@webmail.orcon.net.nz> References: <87o85cvmek.fsf@gnus.org> <8228970e3e55e6b9f31a3cc30c6aad75@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28646"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Orcon Webmail Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52558@debbugs.gnu.org To: ndame Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 19 17:12:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1myyng-0007IT-2Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:12:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47736 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myyne-0000Iy-PA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:12:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54376) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myyn6-0000IH-CB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:12:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36253) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myyn4-0006hM-0k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:12:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1myyn3-0000wv-Sn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:12:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Phil Sainty Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52558 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 52558-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52558.16399303013619 (code B ref 52558); Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52558) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2021 16:11:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47799 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1myymi-0000wJ-Sw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:11:41 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:55633) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1myymh-0000w9-GI for 52558@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:11:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=37148 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myyma-0004Hw-GP; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 05:11:32 +1300 Original-Received: from ip-14-137-22-223.kinect.net.nz ([14.137.22.223]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Mon, 20 Dec 2021 05:11:32 +1300 In-Reply-To: X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:222709 Archived-At: On 2021-12-20 03:08, ndame wrote: > Why would it create confusion if it's an option which the > user has to enable explicitly? If the user is (a) well aware of the change they've made (not blindly copying it from somewhere else), and (b) have a good understanding of regexp syntax and/or the documentation such that they won't be asking anyone questions about regexps, then it shouldn't cause them any confusion. OTOH for someone who (a) doesn't have a strong understanding of Emacs regexp syntax; (b) is more familiar with other dialects with fewer backslashes; (c) enables the hypothetical option to make things seem more familiar but still doesn't entirely know what they're doing; and (d) asks questions or searches for pre- existing Q&As to figure out how to construct their regexp... I think there's ample opportunity for crossed wires on both sides of any ensuing interactions, and pre-existing information will likely not match the syntax that they have chosen. To me it feels like the kind of option which would be more likely to be preferred by people who are less familiar with Emacs regexp syntax, in which case the likelihood of confusion probably increases. I'm just speculating, though. -Phil