From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Sainty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 00:53:55 +1300 Message-ID: <080048e19179c4f4bd8ab0241d733190@webmail.orcon.net.nz> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> <834ka4k15m.fsf@gnu.org> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <837devdcz0.fsf@gnu.org> <93767e0236e7e85d27186293e38d3d25@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <8335pjd974.fsf@gnu.org> <87v92f3d15.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="627"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Orcon Webmail Cc: 50959@debbugs.gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 13:55:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdbk-000AX9-1G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:55:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43870 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdbi-0002YG-Q6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:55:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53592) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdba-0002To-Ap for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:55:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46583) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdbZ-00085q-MH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdbZ-0008Kq-Kw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:55:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Phil Sainty Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50959 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50959-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50959.163317564131954 (code B ref 50959); Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:55:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2021 11:54:01 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58126 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdab-0008JA-IT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:54:01 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:57973) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdaZ-0008Iv-Nf for 50959@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:54:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=45449 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdaV-0007dn-Lb; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 00:53:55 +1300 Original-Received: from ip-203-94-48-127.kinect.net.nz ([203.94.48.127]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sun, 03 Oct 2021 00:53:55 +1300 In-Reply-To: <87v92f3d15.fsf@gmail.com> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216131 Archived-At: Hi João, On 2021-10-03 00:02, João Távora wrote: > In other words, Phil, if you wish me to do anything about this bug, you > must explain exactly what you are doing and what you expect. What does > it mean precisely for "Emacs to recognise the shorthand symbols > generally". Currently it "recognizes" them when the buffer where they > are setup is current. I'm just the messenger on this occasion. I was describing to Eli how shorthands exhibit the exact same problem that was objectionable in the "nameless" approach, and he asked me to raise it as a bug. I think that the shorthand symbols will need to be interned to avoid this (or at least I can't think of any other solution which avoids the problem). Perhaps define them as aliases -- or even obsolete aliases, if the long-term preference is for other libraries to migrate from s-* and the likes to using the proper names? -Phil