From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <07457c95-138b-4769-8e36-3482a9302e00@default> References: <87sgt3k4w0.fsf@hysteria.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28376"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 35887@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas , Bob Proulx Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 16 16:33:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k7Jif-0007FT-WB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:32:41 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07GERbZO103086; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:32:40 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32xskwp0yp-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:32:40 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 07GEWcp8006410; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:32:38 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5017.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9715 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=869 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008160119 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9715 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=860 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1011 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008160119 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:185286 Archived-At: > Bob Proulx writes: >=20 > > In recent Emacs global-eldoc-mode has been enabled by default. This is > > a very annoying mode that causes minibuffer hints of elisp doc strings > > to be flashing by in the minibuffer as the point moves around in the > > buffer. > > > > Please revert this. >=20 > This has now been the default since 26.1. Users will have gotten used > to it, and it has seen only few complaints. It is easy enough to > disable it for those that really don't like it. >=20 > I therefore propose to close this as wontfix. +1 to DISable it by default, IOW revert to normal, longstanding Emacs behavior. There was no reason to enable it by default. It's easy enough to ENable. Such things should be opt-in. Heck, we still don't even have `delete-selection-mode' on by default. And it took _decades_ to get `transient-mark-mode' on by default. What's so special about this that it was turned on by default? Arguments of "has been the default since 26.1" and "it has seen only few complaints" are pretty shallow. For Emacs, 26.1 is, as Bob said, a recent release. Until a few days ago 26.3 was the _current_ release. Such overeagerness to change default Emacs behavior should really be curbed. Please add my +1 voice to the "few complaints" about this kind of change.