From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 60527@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#60527: 30.0.50; Typing SPC in a minibuffer with completion
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 19:45:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0633641c-0fb3-8778-78b2-f9b827ca5b4a@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <835ydmz0dh.fsf@gnu.org>
On 04/01/2023 19:16, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 19:00:44 +0200
>> Cc:60527@debbugs.gnu.org,monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
>> From: Dmitry Gutov<dgutov@yandex.ru>
>>
>> On 04/01/2023 16:47, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>> I didn't say I'm against any change in this behavior. Stefan proposed
>>> at least two alternatives that produce basically the same user-facing
>>> behavior when SPC is supposed to be interpreted verbatim, so they come
>>> very close to the alternative that you like better, but still stop
>>> short of breaking someone's muscle memory.
>> The first alternative provides sometimes the same, and sometimes
>> different behavior. In particular, when there are valid completions,
>> "SPC" would still perform completion -- something that I don't think
>> many users expect. Especially novices.
>>
>> The second alternative is even more involved, requiring
>> 'completing-read' callers to decide in advance whether the users will
>> want to have SPC insert SPC or perform completion. That's still odd and
>> seems like crossing the proper abstraction layers. The caller might not
>> know the collection contains spaces. And this approach can break
>> established muscle memory just the same, as soon as enough callers start
>> to make this choice.
> I understand that just rebinding SPC is much easier. But we are
> supposed to consider other factors, not just the ease of
> implementation. And I'm not afraid of code that is somewhat inelegant
> and even breaks abstractions, if we provide better, friendlier UI
> which breaks less habits.
Using proper abstractions is what can lead to predictable, better UI.
And vice versa -- patching through special cases upon special cases
leads to less predictable, worse UI.
I wasn't talking about the ease of implementation, really.
> Many Emacs's abstractions leak from many
> holes anyway.
That's more of a problem for a UI which is used in many, many places and
in different contexts.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-04 17:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-03 19:05 bug#60527: 30.0.50; Typing SPC in a minibuffer with completion Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-03 20:14 ` Drew Adams
2023-01-04 18:17 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-03 22:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-04 3:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-04 12:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-04 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-04 17:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-04 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-04 17:45 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2023-01-04 18:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-04 7:09 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2023-01-04 18:14 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-04 19:11 ` Jim Porter
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