From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 08:04:03 +0300 Message-ID: <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8612"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 08 07:05:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVob-00028d-PN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 07:05:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52088 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVoa-0002DH-Pr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:05:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVoU-0002D4-4D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:40014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVoT-0004Cr-Pz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:05:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVoT-0005K3-Kk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:05:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 05:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43255 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43255-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43255.159954145820398 (code B ref 43255); Tue, 08 Sep 2020 05:05:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 05:04:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51560 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVnl-0005Iw-M8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:04:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45346) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVnk-0005Ie-59 for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:04:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:32952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVnd-0004A7-QL; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:04:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [2001:4df7:0:25eb::1] (port=55798) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVnc-0006jE-7A; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:04:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:187503 Archived-At: On September 8, 2020 7:26:12 AM GMT+03:00, Arthur Miller wrote: >Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: Andrea Corallo >>> Cc: arthur=2Emiller@live=2Ecom, 43255@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg >>> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:24:17 +0000 >>>=20 >>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>>=20 >> Why is it important for the user to know about the native compiler? >> E=2Eg=2E, how is it different from the C compiler switches used to buil= d >> Emacs? >Just as important as x86_64 or linux-gnu :-)=2E > >Currently when I press C-h C-a, I get this info (amongst other): > >GNU Emacs 28=2E0=2E50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3=2E24= =2E23, >cairo version 1=2E17=2E3) > of 2020-09-07 > >I think it would be handy if there was a bit more info on that page=2E >I would prefer x64-native GNU/Linux=2E Why is it less important to know >about non-gui features? For me who has turned off most of gui stuff, >GTK >and Cairo versions are not really what I care about=2E I have them just >to >get better font rendering, but now I can maybe compile without at least >Gtk? I mean I don't need to know that it is compiled for GNU/Linux; I >know I am running on a GNU/Linux OS, or that it is a 64-bit OS, yet >info >is there=2E > >In my case I would have seen that I didn't compile with native compiler >support even though I intended (since the configure script failed >wihout >me noticing)=2E > >I also wouldn't mind more info about compiler switches used to build >the >version as well as features/packages built-in=2E I don't know what is >essential more and I don't have any philosophical argument, more than >it >is sometimes useful=2E That's a different issue=2E The original question was about the splash sc= reen and specifically about emacs-version=2E I see no reason whatsoever to= show information about the native compilation there, as it's a minor featu= re that moreover has no effect at all until some Lisp files are compiled wi= th it=2E Besides, the splash screen is already too crowded=2E If you are saying that the "About Emacs" display should be redesigned (to = make it look differently from the splash screen), I might agree, but then (= a) please show a more detailed proposal, and (b) such a display doesn't nee= d the change to be in emacs-version, it can use the other variables which d= ivulge the details of the build and its configuration=2E Btw, in line with the recent "let's be like other apps" trend, I suggest t= o look at what other apps do in their "About" display: I have the impressio= n that this fashion is on its way out=2E Bottom line: you've effectively changed the subject, so I suggest to do th= at explicitly, and start a new thread/issue=2E