From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65913: with-help-window arranges for 'inhibit-read-only' to be set to 't' Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 14:51:30 +0000 Message-ID: <04_YeulwxttSgx-ucr-VfmWTxKH81JSzyGT-sOTCmIoygmC3J7tNUFEY6pzA1O53iwhjtDqN88gX6pkBNR7e7b_kCefsrYMoIGPKJKt99rM=@protonmail.com> References: <838r9anrmi.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Heime Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2723"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 65913@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 13 16:53:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qgREy-0000SY-69 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 16:53:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgREi-0005GW-NM; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:53:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgREg-0005FX-Aj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:52:58 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgREf-0000we-2U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:52:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgREk-0002Be-Ac for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:53:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Heime Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 14:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 65913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65913.16946167268323 (code B ref 65913); Wed, 13 Sep 2023 14:53:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2023 14:52:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35610 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgRDq-0002AA-FB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:52:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4325.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.25]:55999) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgRDo-00029h-O3 for 65913@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:52:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1694616709; x=1694875909; bh=yfekfMuU4quSITESuMzKw6wyHOBgAL5OaKRLKJE3mBA=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=C9aXjEpd6TBtzAv8VpDGmYWKeLUa3ygN7iCnI4iXQeMtcw+eZnRkq+uefhudjqTxF xHcEiKDPn0nu89qKwqOS2CGx4CKOqAHMxYI3zk5fX1oC05hscF2XoQo3uduHt7cycc LwQN3czc+jApAb6tuCvXrjpmxoBZi/WeZQstJf+wzA5eNyoKBMpWpB39uu8ExAS23U 7SMTCgHrI1Ofl6/EDaEW01PwBZGV7qV7MLo4K4i7efZy83/wUer4zhtYLVvlpl3HiW SjLXZD6jd0Ve0p7jucfZIwyOJr1fbWT8/oS/W8k0grk/umVtFYXrJD/mpIxqQts7z6 MHPS+U+HirDXw== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:270304 Archived-At: Sent with Proton Mail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, September 14th, 2023 at 2:04 AM, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org writes: >=20 > > I disagree. The use of inhibit-read-only is an implementation detail > > of with-help-window (and of many other functions in Emacs); mentioning > > it in the doc string will IMO have no useful purpose. > >=20 > > The doc string of "C-x C-q" (read-only-mode) does mention > > inhibit-read-only, which is I think a much more reasonable place for a > > reference to that variable. > >=20 > > Stefan, WDYT? >=20 >=20 > I tend to agree with you. Stefan, is this to say that for you it is good that there is no way to figure out that there is no requirement to reset buffer-read-only=20 from the self documentation ? And that it is even unnecessary to state that the duffer is read only by going through the different=20 docstrings. Such conclusions is seriously deficient with little regard to how much time developers waste in working with the language.