From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11364: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 11364 wishlist Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:57:03 -0700 Message-ID: <03B2AA2026DA436E892FA43E858B0F66@us.oracle.com> References: <87sjd4lys4.fsf@gnu.org><38C346B84BFA43C998DAA00564D4CF2B@us.oracle.com> <87liiuke7g.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1341727084 16746 80.91.229.3 (8 Jul 2012 05:58:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 05:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 11364@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Chong Yidong'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 08 07:58:02 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkVN-0002ww-0h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 07:58:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55533 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkVM-0003Ut-0h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:58:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54728) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkVJ-0003US-7W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:57:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkVH-00025W-Gq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:57:56 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46311) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkVH-00025Q-DX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:57:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkaE-0003fT-Cs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 06:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11364 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 11364-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11364.134172734714056 (code B ref 11364); Sun, 08 Jul 2012 06:03:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11364) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2012 06:02:27 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55856 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkZe-0003ee-Mz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:02:27 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:47434) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkZc-0003eX-Aj for 11364@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:02:25 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q685vFcA006701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2012 05:57:16 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q685vE0U002676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Jul 2012 05:57:15 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q685vDbO004795; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:57:14 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.186.64) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 22:57:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87liiuke7g.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac1cy3tHQGteA3tcTzuWlgujoWtwPgAAJWDQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:61712 Archived-At: > > This is a regression - loss of a capability that Emacs has had since > > it supported a mouse. How can you classify a regression as > > "wishlist"? > > It is not a regression; I beg to differ; it certainly is. > you are asking for a feature that never existed. No, I am asking for the restoration of a feature that _always_ existed, before Emacs 23. However, it is unlikely that you will find any mention of this loss in the NEWS... As I said in the bug report, I use `delete-selection-mode'. I should no doubt have emphasized that better - mea culpa. In Emacs 22 (or prior): emacs -Q M-x delete-selection-mode ; turn it on Double click a word, sexp, line, or what have you. Or select the region some other way. The point is to get an active region. Use `left', `right', `up', or `down' cursor keys (or `C-f' etc. if you prefer). The region stays active and is extended (or restricted). This useful, standard Emacs feature was lost starting with Emacs 23. Now, moving the cursor deactivates the region. It should not, at least not in `delete-selection-mode'. > > In Emacs versions prior to Emacs 23 an important feature was the > > ability to extend or reduce the active region by moving the cursor. > > E.g C-SPC followed by C-f. > > > And it did not matter how the region was activated (how the mark was > > set). You could, for example, double-click a word or a > > line or a sexp using mouse-1, then use C-f or M-f to extend the region etc. > > I checked in Emacs 22: double clicking with the mouse to > select a word, then using C-f, makes the region inactive. > Emacs 24 behaves similarly. Turn on `delete-selection-mode' and you will see that Emacs 24 does not behave similarly to Emacs 22 (or 21 or...). I wish Emacs acted like it used to wrt this feature. Does that make fixing this fodder for the wishlist? It should not.