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I'd still stick to 'Function' and 'Variable' as Juri does now already. I don't understand what 'Key' would tell the user here. 'File' could be treated like a link at the mouse position to follow. 'Face' finally should be part of the character at the mouse position, accessible via 'describe-char'. > And even the vanilla Help > Describe has key, > function, variable, and face. Again I'd say that 'describe-key' is hardly related to the position of the mouse pointer. > FWIW, I don't think writing out the name of > the symbol (or face or whatever) is needed. It would disambiguate the object clicking would describe. > In the case of symbols, the symbol name is > being pointed at. Yes, in the case of a > face or some other thing that's not showing > its name, the name might help, but just > trying the menu item shows a user what's > involved right away. But we do not handle any symbol - we handle only predefined ones. For the rest we currently get some mysterious text in the echo area or no information at all. When I write (setq x 3) and right click on "x" I get no useful hint at what to try further. When I evaluate that form via C-x C-e I get instead x=E2=80=99s value is 3 Not documented as a variable. Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 1.4. which is better (but for that last line). So maybe in the unevaluated case a user should get x's value is void Not documented as a variable. instead. martin