From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1754: 23.0.60; tool-bar is shown with tool-bar-mode off Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:14:16 -0800 Message-ID: <009301c96c77$6eb12160$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <877i5f914m.fsf@cyd.mit.edu><006101c96bd0$387ac7b0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87zlibtsna.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <008701c96c57$dc010a20$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <495D5972.3070509@gnu.org> Reply-To: Drew Adams , 1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1230859425 22103 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2009 01:23:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Chong Yidong' To: "'Jason Rumney'" , <1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 02 02:24:55 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LIYmT-0000JA-Q4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:24:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52761 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LIYlE-0002sc-2G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:23:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LIYl8-0002qx-EP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:23:30 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LIYl4-0002nm-Ju for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:23:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47422 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LIYl4-0002nS-45 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:23:26 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:37491) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LIYl3-00050C-Io for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:23:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n021NMAs031473; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:23:23 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n021K4Ma030463; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:20:04 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:20:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1754 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1754-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1754.123085886529108 (code B ref 1754); Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:20:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1754) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Jan 2009 01:14:25 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from rgminet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n021EMXj029095 for <1754@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:14:23 -0800 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n021ErS7001409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:14:54 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt703.oracle.com (acsmt703.oracle.com [141.146.40.81]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n0217F3i012649; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:07:16 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.134.5) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:14:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <495D5972.3070509@gnu.org> Thread-Index: AclsbZmK2CriIY1fTral3EO/on7NiQACKbEA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt703.oracle.com [141.146.40.81] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.495D6A65.0103:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:23:28 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:23672 Archived-At: > > The "pop-up" in each of the names `pop-up-frames' and > > `pop-up-frames-alist' means very different things. > > It seems you are asking us to change Emacs to match your confusion at > the expense of other users'. Not at all. Read the description of `pop-up-frame-alist'. It talks about special "pop-up" frames, and it gives examples of them. It is the analog of `special-display-frame-alist'. Both "supercede the values given in `default-frame-alist'. Read the description of `pop-up-frames'. It is completely general and refers to all frames. It is the analog of `pop-up-windows'. There is nothing new in this. Look at the C code for `display-buffer' in Emacs 22 (or 21 or 20). It does not refer to `pop-up-frame-alist' at all. It uses `pop-up-frames' the same way it uses `pop-up-windows': to know whether to use a separate frame (or window, in the latter case). `pop-up-windows': "Non-nil means `display-buffer' should make a new window." `pop-up-frames': "Whether `display-buffer' should make a separate frame." Those have nothing to do with superceding the values in `default-frame-alist'. I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about on this question. Sad to say, the person who translated `display-buffer' from C to Lisp might have been in the same boat.