From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: RE: doc string of dired-do-kill-lines, "killing" lines in Dired Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:09:58 -0800 Message-ID: <001b01c88160$c48ae6a0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <003801c87e54$1961eda0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com><000101c87e6f$b7d77700$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> <001601c87ed3$676a5440$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> <002401c88008$a9110de0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205010712 27959 80.91.229.12 (8 Mar 2008 21:11:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: schwab@suse.de, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 08 22:12:20 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JY6L0-0000Mm-ER for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:12:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY6KS-0003D0-Dn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:11:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY6KK-00036c-4o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:11:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY6KH-000321-2j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:11:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY6KG-00031o-QB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:11:28 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JY6KC-0007xu-S4; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:11:25 -0500 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m28LBEdf029921; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:11:15 -0700 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m28Kapiw017472; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:11:14 -0700 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3605195301205010611; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:10:11 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.88.217) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:10:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciBWV6k+jLXHbO3R2yJjj8SXzG/ngAAy2uA X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:17690 Archived-At: > No. I explained what is unclear and how to make it clear. > This time, I prefer to teach how to fish than to dish out > the fish & chips. > > Are you claiming that it is in general more helpful just to report a > problem than to report it and fix it? Are you jumping wildly to presumptuous conclusions? I claimed nothing in general. Or in particular, for that matter - I claimed nothing at all. I said _this time_ (not in general) and I said _I prefer_. I said nothing about being more helpful. I said nothing about why I prefer that action this time. However, wrt helpfulness and reporting problems: (1) Reporting a problem (usually) _is_ helping. QA is an important part of production (of anything); it shouldn't be undervalued. (2) In this case, I didn't just report the problem. And I didn't just say "use this text instead" with no explanation. I indicated what is wrong, why, and how to fix it. And yes, if you're looking for a generality here, sometimes pointing out why something is wrong and how to fix it is more help in the long run than just fixing it. If only because the world is larger and lasts longer than any individual contributor, all of whom are, alas, mortal. And, yes, there is still a "sometimes" in that generality. Explaining what is wrong and how to fix it can serve as an example that helps to avoid and fix similar future problems. That is as true of documentation as of coding or anything else.