From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: bug#1477: 23.0.60; Customize "not marked HIDDEN" is unclear Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:32:06 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c954d6$30970d30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Drew Adams , 1477@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1228261832 19907 80.91.229.12 (2 Dec 2008 23:50:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:50:32 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 03 00:51:35 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L7f1i-0002fi-G4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:51:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56035 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L7f0Y-000331-1V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:32:09 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:55626 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7eit-0007u7-7I for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:32:07 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB2NWvR1019115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:32:58 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt702.oracle.com (acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB2NW8sa030586 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:32:09 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.65.247) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:32:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclU1jA1DKJPIbeQTzKNchBiIh6U3A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010204.4935C572.00B6:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:50:17 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22864 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:23435 Archived-At: In Customize, I see this, just before the main set of buttons in the buffer: "Operate on all settings in this buffer that are not marked HIDDEN:" To me at least, that means nothing. Worse, it confuses me. What is it trying to say? What does it mean for a setting to be "marked HIDDEN"? I don't see any "marks", and I don't see "HIDDEN" anywhere (and why uppercase?). What is "marking" in this context? If I click `Hide Value' for some option or `Hide Face' for some face, then that button's text changes to `Show Value' or `Show Face' (not "HIDDEN"). If you are trying to say that those buttons (except `Exit') act on all options and faces in the buffer whose definitions are visible, then say that. And put a box around these global buttons and the explanation, or draw a line to separate them from the rest of the buffer, or make it clear in some other way what the scope of this explanation and these buttons is. (The fact that we need to explain this at all just indicates, however, how bad this UI is.) In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping'