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From: Katherine Cox-Buday <cox.katherine.e@gmail.com>
To: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Incentives for review
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 09:57:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pmrp9oze.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86czny13ac.fsf@gmail.com> (zimoun's message of "Thu, 21 Oct 2021 23:22:35 +0200")

zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> writes:

>> I have often seen folks on various projects worried about the size of
>> various backlogs: bugs, issues, etc. I think it is human to want to
>> try and contain something that appears to be growing, unbounded. 
>
> …about patches only.  Bug is another story. :-)

Sorry, I meant to speak to both and instead repeated bugs with a different word, issues! I think patches and bugs are similar in this context.

> Just number to fix the idea about large backlog.

I think it's really great that you went through the trouble to quantify this. Thank you.

>> I think the thing that bothers us is a sense that the backlog is
>> becoming unmanageable, or too large to triage. I submit that this is
>> actually a tooling and organizational issue, and not an intrinsic
>> issue to be solved. Bugs may still be valid; patches may still have
>> valuable bones to modify.
>
> This is the point.  What do you do?  What could we improve about tooling
> and organisation to better scale and deal with this “becoming
> unmanageable backlog”?

I tried to give some ideas here[1].

> From my point of view, it is good to have this issue.  It means that
> Guix is becoming more popular.  And we – regular user, contributor,
> committer – have to adapt to this increasing workload, IMHO.

I totally agree!

> The question is how.  And how to invite people to complete review. :-)

Humans usually enjoy community. I think the group activities are really great.

>> I think the real issue is that as a backlog grows, the tools we're
>> used to using cannot answer the questions we want to ask: what is most
>> relevant to me or the project right now?
>
> If it is relevant to the project then it is also relevant to me as an
> user.  And vice-versa. ;-)

I think I did not give the proper context. I meant relevant as in "I am working on this package. Is anyone else? What tickets might I update? What other trivial bugs might I fix while I'm looking at this?"

I.e. relevant in the temporal sense.

> When something relevant to me is not making progress, it often means
> people are busy elsewhere, so I try to comment (review?) about patches
> or bugs.  It is a Sisyphean task because the workload never
> decreases. :-)  Or maybe structured procrastination. ;-)

I find it helpful to not think of it as a discrete task, but work along a continuum -- a joyful habit of collectively helping everyone to have something nice :)

"A society grows great when old (wo)men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."

[1] - https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2021-10/msg00158.html

-- 
Katherine


  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-28 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-15 18:54 Tricking peer review Ludovic Courtès
2021-10-15 22:03 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2021-10-15 22:28   ` Ryan Prior
2021-10-15 22:45     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2021-10-15 22:59       ` Ryan Prior
2021-10-18  7:40     ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-10-18 19:56       ` Ryan Prior
2021-10-19  8:39       ` zimoun
2021-10-20 23:03         ` Leo Famulari
2021-10-21  8:14           ` zimoun
2021-10-15 23:13   ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2021-10-18  7:47     ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-10-18  7:34   ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-10-19  8:36 ` zimoun
2021-10-19 12:56   ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-10-19 14:22     ` zimoun
2021-10-19 15:41       ` Incentives for review Ludovic Courtès
2021-10-19 16:56         ` zimoun
2021-10-19 19:14         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-10-19 19:34           ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2021-10-19 19:50           ` Joshua Branson
2021-10-21 20:03           ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-10-20 21:37         ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2021-10-21 13:38           ` Artem Chernyak
2021-10-22 20:03             ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2021-10-23  1:43               ` Kyle Meyer
2021-10-23  3:42                 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2021-10-23  7:37                 ` zimoun
2021-10-23 16:18                   ` public-inbox/elfeed -> Maildir bridge (was: Incentives for review) Kyle Meyer
2021-10-24 12:18                   ` Jonathan McHugh
2021-10-21 16:06           ` Incentives for review Ricardo Wurmus
2021-10-21 16:32             ` zimoun
2021-10-22 20:06             ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2021-10-21 15:07         ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2021-10-21 16:10           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-10-21 17:52             ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2021-10-21 18:21             ` Arun Isaac
2021-10-21 19:58               ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-10-21 21:42               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-10-22 10:48                 ` Arun Isaac
2021-10-22 11:21                   ` zimoun
2021-10-23  6:09                     ` Arun Isaac
2021-10-22 10:56                 ` Jonathan McHugh
2021-10-22  7:40               ` zimoun
2021-10-22 11:09                 ` Arun Isaac
2021-10-22  8:37               ` Jonathan McHugh
2021-10-22  9:15                 ` zimoun
2021-10-22 10:40                 ` Jonathan McHugh
2021-10-22 11:32                   ` zimoun
2021-10-21 21:18             ` Jonathan McHugh
2021-10-22 10:44               ` Arun Isaac
2021-10-22 11:06               ` Jonathan McHugh
2021-10-21 21:22           ` zimoun
2021-10-28 14:57             ` Katherine Cox-Buday [this message]
2021-10-21 17:51         ` Vagrant Cascadian
2021-10-24 11:47           ` Efraim Flashner
2021-10-20  8:22   ` Tricking peer review Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-10-20  9:10     ` zimoun
2021-10-20  8:29   ` patches for new packages proper workflow (Re: Tricking peer review) Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-10-20 23:09 ` Tricking peer review Leo Famulari
2021-10-21  7:12   ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-10-25 13:09 ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2021-10-28  8:38   ` Ludovic Courtès

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