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From: indieterminacy@libre.brussels
To: Jack Hill <jackhill@jackhill.us>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Formalizing teams
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:22:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87czlor4jb.fsf@qiuy04.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.2112221101050.9433@marsh.hcoop.net>

Its certainly worth developing more formal clusters.

It would be wise to try and make concerns and research interconnected -
lest we create silos that communicate with other groups less.


Jonathan McHugh

Jack Hill <jackhill@jackhill.us> writes:

> On Wed, 22 Dec 2021, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>
>> Hello Guix!
>>
>> I’ve been looking at our guix-patches backlog, at the great
>> contributions we get but that stick there for too long, certainly
>> discouraging people, and also at non-code initiatives (meetups, Guix
>> Days, Outreachy, documentation, etc.) that we as a project could often
>> support and encourage better, wondering how we could improve.
>>
>> I’ve been inspired by how the Rust folks approach these issues, in
>> particular as described here:
>>
>>  https://blog.m-ou.se/rust-is-not-a-company/
>>
>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1t4zGJYUuY
>>    (RacketCon 2019 talk by Aaron Turon)
>>
>> One idea that I like is to bring structure to the group, or rather to
>> make structure visible, so that newcomers know who they can talk to to
>> get started on a topic, know who to ping for reviews, and so that each
>> one of us can see where they fit.  Rust has well-defined teams:
>>
>>  https://www.rust-lang.org/governance
>>
>> Guix is nowhere near the size of the Rust community (yet!), but I can
>> already picture teams and members:
>>
>>  co-maintainers (“core team”)
>>  community
>>  infrastructure
>>  internationalization
>>  security response
>>  release
>>  Rust packaging
>>  R packaging
>>  Java packaging
>>
>> In Rust, teams are responsible for overseeing discussions and changes in
>> their area, but also ultimately for making decisions.  I think that’s
>> pretty much the case with the informal teams that exist today in Guix,
>> but that responsibility could be made more explicit here.  They
>> distinguish teams from “working groups”, where working groups work on
>> actually implementing what the team decided.
>>
>> How about starting with a web page listing these teams, their work,
>> their members, and ways to contact them?  Teams would be the primary
>> contact point and for things that fall into their area and would be
>> responsible for channeling proposals and advancing issues in their area.
>>
>> What do people think?
>>
>> Aaron Turon nicely explains that at first sight it has a bureaucratic
>> feel to it, but that in practice it does help a lot in many ways, from
>> onboarding to channeling change without losing consistency.
>>
>> Ludo’.
>
> +1 from me. I think that it is natural that as we grow (yay!) we'll
> need a little bit more structure. It would be wise to not overdo it
> and create too many teams to start with, but I have nevertheless
> brainstormed some additional teams:
>
> * Documentation/Communication/Cookbook Recipes
> * Desktop Environments
>
> Best,
> Jack



  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-22 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-22 15:46 Formalizing teams Ludovic Courtès
2021-12-22 16:04 ` Jack Hill
2021-12-22 16:22   ` indieterminacy [this message]
2021-12-22 19:43 ` Filip Łajszczak
2022-01-03 15:09   ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-12-27  5:17 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2021-12-28 10:52   ` Lars-Dominik Braun
2021-12-28 15:44     ` Kyle Meyer
2021-12-28 18:03       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-12-29 21:04         ` Lars-Dominik Braun
2021-12-28 14:44   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2021-12-29  9:05     ` Efraim Flashner
2022-01-03 15:22     ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-01-03 15:57       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-01-04 22:35       ` adriano
2022-03-31 21:15       ` david larsson
2022-04-01  9:14         ` Ludovic Courtès
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-23 15:13 Blake Shaw
2021-12-23 21:51 ` Jonathan McHugh
2021-12-24 12:23   ` Hartmut Goebel
2021-12-24 15:37     ` indieterminacy

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